Comments on: Downsizing drama at Backfence http://journalistopia.com/2007/01/10/downsizing-drama-at-backfence/ A world for online journalists. Come all ye scribes, artists and innovators of the press. Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:54:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Journalistopia » New York Times covers citizen journalism trend http://journalistopia.com/2007/01/10/downsizing-drama-at-backfence/comment-page-1/#comment-909 Journalistopia » New York Times covers citizen journalism trend Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:06:57 +0000 http://journalistopia.com/2007/01/10/downsizing-drama-at-backfence/#comment-909 [...] Aside from that line, the article gives no sense as to whether these other little hyperlocal sites will implode like Backfence seems to be doing. Of course, for those doing it strictly out of passion, then I suppose it doesn’t really matter, now does it? [...] [...] Aside from that line, the article gives no sense as to whether these other little hyperlocal sites will implode like Backfence seems to be doing. Of course, for those doing it strictly out of passion, then I suppose it doesn’t really matter, now does it? [...]

]]> By: Amy Gahran http://journalistopia.com/2007/01/10/downsizing-drama-at-backfence/comment-page-1/#comment-867 Amy Gahran Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:32:50 +0000 http://journalistopia.com/2007/01/10/downsizing-drama-at-backfence/#comment-867 I agree with you, Danny, about what these papers *could* be doing. The issue is, *would* they? I've talked to a lot of these people at smaller dailies and weeklies -- I think it's generally very unlikely. The technology won't make a damn bit of difference if the people aren't willing to make changes in their mission and how they use their resources. (And I would love nothing better than to be proven wrong on this.) - Amy Gahran I agree with you, Danny, about what these papers *could* be doing. The issue is, *would* they? I’ve talked to a lot of these people at smaller dailies and weeklies — I think it’s generally very unlikely. The technology won’t make a damn bit of difference if the people aren’t willing to make changes in their mission and how they use their resources. (And I would love nothing better than to be proven wrong on this.)

- Amy Gahran

]]> By: Danny Sanchez http://journalistopia.com/2007/01/10/downsizing-drama-at-backfence/comment-page-1/#comment-865 Danny Sanchez Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:13:18 +0000 http://journalistopia.com/2007/01/10/downsizing-drama-at-backfence/#comment-865 Thanks for dropping in Amy. I very much enjoy your blog on Poynter. I'd say becoming a participatory media operation is significantly easier for an established news site because of the fact that it can leverage its brand recognition in the community. Like the experiments done using game theory and having strangers find each other in a city, I believe people are naturally drawn to the big newspaper in town as a sort of focal point -- at least they still are today. Who knows if that will hold true 15 years from now. Nevertheless, that clout can translate into a successful citizen media operation that works hand-in-hand with the big paper, even if the relationship might get adversarial from time to time as the citizen journalists fire criticism at the paper. The key ingredient is not necessarily a robust AJAX-powered site with tons of widgets, but rather, the presence of an advocate, an evangelist if you will, who will build the community's spirit and purpose. Check out this excellent article from Vitamin regarding this: http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/webapps/the-rules-of-engagement Whether newspapers will step up, well, your guess is as good as I mine. But the chances are getting better (I hope!). I do think an operation like Placeblogger has the potential to aggregate all of these small citizen media shops into one searchable playground. The big problem I see with Backfence (or Yahoo Local or any other national company) is that they are trying to PRODUCE the content rather than just serve it up from other sources. Thanks for dropping in Amy. I very much enjoy your blog on Poynter. I’d say becoming a participatory media operation is significantly easier for an established news site because of the fact that it can leverage its brand recognition in the community. Like the experiments done using game theory and having strangers find each other in a city, I believe people are naturally drawn to the big newspaper in town as a sort of focal point — at least they still are today. Who knows if that will hold true 15 years from now. Nevertheless, that clout can translate into a successful citizen media operation that works hand-in-hand with the big paper, even if the relationship might get adversarial from time to time as the citizen journalists fire criticism at the paper.

The key ingredient is not necessarily a robust AJAX-powered site with tons of widgets, but rather, the presence of an advocate, an evangelist if you will, who will build the community’s spirit and purpose. Check out this excellent article from Vitamin regarding this: http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/webapps/the-rules-of-engagement

Whether newspapers will step up, well, your guess is as good as I mine. But the chances are getting better (I hope!). I do think an operation like Placeblogger has the potential to aggregate all of these small citizen media shops into one searchable playground. The big problem I see with Backfence (or Yahoo Local or any other national company) is that they are trying to PRODUCE the content rather than just serve it up from other sources.

]]> By: Amy Gahran http://journalistopia.com/2007/01/10/downsizing-drama-at-backfence/comment-page-1/#comment-860 Amy Gahran Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:44:21 +0000 http://journalistopia.com/2007/01/10/downsizing-drama-at-backfence/#comment-860 Thanks for mentioning my article. Actually, Backfence was specifically trying to be a citizen journalism / participatory media operation, which is obviously difference from what mainstream papers (regardless of size) aim to do. You have a point -- I'd love it if local papers, especially small ones (even weeklies) would get more involved with fostering citizen journalism and participatory media. But the reality is that those organizations are already generally struggling just to get the paper out, and they see the print edition as their main mission. Their web sites barely go beyond shovelware, if that. Are they likely to tackle this emerging aspect of news and community? I'd love to think so, but I'd be kidding myself. - Amy Gahran Thanks for mentioning my article. Actually, Backfence was specifically trying to be a citizen journalism / participatory media operation, which is obviously difference from what mainstream papers (regardless of size) aim to do.

You have a point — I’d love it if local papers, especially small ones (even weeklies) would get more involved with fostering citizen journalism and participatory media. But the reality is that those organizations are already generally struggling just to get the paper out, and they see the print edition as their main mission. Their web sites barely go beyond shovelware, if that. Are they likely to tackle this emerging aspect of news and community? I’d love to think so, but I’d be kidding myself.

- Amy Gahran

]]> By: pramit http://journalistopia.com/2007/01/10/downsizing-drama-at-backfence/comment-page-1/#comment-852 pramit Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:39:38 +0000 http://journalistopia.com/2007/01/10/downsizing-drama-at-backfence/#comment-852 The buzzword this year will be MONEY, rather than web 2.0. http://mediavidea.blogspot.com/2007/01/show-me-money-buzzword-for-2007.html The buzzword this year will be MONEY, rather than web 2.0.
http://mediavidea.blogspot.com/2007/01/show-me-money-buzzword-for-2007.html

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